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VC:MP Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: TarGet_Killer on Jun 07, 2015, 10:31 AM

Title: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: TarGet_Killer on Jun 07, 2015, 10:31 AM
Can I Start A Server On This VPS.
(https://forum.vc-mp.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.vcmp.ml%2F%3Fdi%3D8AE1&hash=e1b6e01df20173e7bb2ec0a51e3010d63b1ecfa9)
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: . on Jun 07, 2015, 10:38 AM
Yeah sure, why not. Although the CPU might b a little low.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: ysc3839 on Jun 07, 2015, 11:46 AM
Note that some VPS may cheat you. Last year I bought a VPS, it say the CPU is 2.4GHz but I see it's 100MHz with 24 cores! The VPS is very slow like a 20-year-old computer! So please be careful.
A CPU with lots of cores may useless in most conditions, because most applications can't support multi-threads, it only can use ONE core.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: MacTavish on Jun 07, 2015, 12:00 PM
0.5 core means an pentium 3 processor with 500mhz. Its too low and i am sure that is an free vps
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: . on Jun 07, 2015, 06:03 PM
Quote from: Beztone on Jun 07, 2015, 12:00 PM0.5 core means an pentium 3 processor with 500mhz. Its too low and i am sure that is an free vps

Do not think that the frequency is the decisive factor in CPU power. A modern 0.5Ghz CPU/Core is much more powerful than a 0.5Ghz PentiumIII CPU. I won't get into details because it would be pointless to discuss it here.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Thijn on Jun 07, 2015, 06:05 PM
That isn't a free VPS by the looks of it (I google'd the specs), but 0.5 core CPU is way to slow.

Normal hosting providers don't say 0.5 core, they say the speed and core. 0.5 core of what?
My advise: Don't buy from a company that clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: maxorator on Jun 07, 2015, 07:33 PM
That's more likely to mean that a core is shared between two customers. Might be better than many of those who don't give a core count at all, since in those cases you have no idea how many customers may be on one core.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Stormeus on Jun 07, 2015, 08:51 PM
How exactly are they able to provide DDoS protection and 24/7 security security monitoring? DDoS mitigation is extremely expensive for even major corporations. I'm also curious as to how the security monitoring is done.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: . on Jun 07, 2015, 09:06 PM
@stormeus But you have to admit that it looks damn good on paper. Just as long as you don't get curious about it. Like you're doing now ;D
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Aldo on Jun 09, 2015, 02:01 PM
>Get $5
>Go to ramnode.com
>Order a premium OpenVZ SSD VPS for $5/m
>Pay the invoice
>VPS is provisioned
>Login to VPS
>Setup VPS for what you want to host on it
>???
>Profit
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Thijn on Jun 09, 2015, 04:31 PM
Quote from: Aldo on Jun 09, 2015, 02:01 PM>Get $5
>Go to ramnode.com
>Order a premium OpenVZ SSD VPS for $5/m
>Pay the invoice
>VPS is provisioned
>Login to VPS
>Setup VPS for what you want to host on it
>???
>Profit
You don't get profit by spending $5.
But you're right.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: PlayerX on Jun 09, 2015, 06:34 PM
Ranmode is good, I buy VPS for 1 year.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Hellboy on Jun 10, 2015, 01:35 AM
Quote from: Aldo on Jun 09, 2015, 02:01 PM>Get $5
>Go to ramnode.com
>Order a premium OpenVZ SSD VPS for $5/m
>Pay the invoice
>VPS is provisioned
>Login to VPS
>Setup VPS for what you want to host on it
>???
>Profit
Windows Or Linux
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Thijn on Jun 10, 2015, 05:30 AM
Linux of course. Windows has a lot more overhead then Linux, and needs a more expensive VPS.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Aldo on Jun 10, 2015, 01:31 PM
Quote from: Hellboy on Jun 10, 2015, 01:35 AMWindows Or Linux
OpenVZ only supports linux based operating systems. Unless you go with a KVM to use windows, then you're gonna have to pay more and you will have to get your own license(If you go with RamNode).

You're better off going with the $5 Premium OpenVZ SSD VPS which you have to if you want to host game servers on RamNode and the Premium line comes with E3's and have a lower amount of clients per node compared to the standard plans.
512MB Ram, 2 E3 cores, 50GB of SSD storage, and 2TB of bandwidth for $5/m which will host your VCMP server, Teamspeak server, and Website is an amazing deal tbh.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: . on Jun 10, 2015, 01:40 PM
What everyone seems to miss here is this. "50GB of SSD" are you paying for premium SSD storage or what? When are you going to use 50GB with your server? When are you going to use 2TB of bandwidth with your vcmp server?

Buy KVM instead and get the full power. What you need to pay attention is processing power and bandwidth speed. You need quality not quantity. You don't need storage space or huge amounts of bandwidth. YOU NEED POWER PEOPLE!

These are the plans that you're interested in:
(https://forum.vc-mp.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.postimg.org%2Fgdcveli7j%2FScreenshot_2.jpg&hash=9488032de3f376199485a8e223e54571ed25b704) (http://postimg.org/image/gdcveli7j/)

Even the one with 256 MB RAM is more than enough to host your server and probably even more than one.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Aldo on Jun 10, 2015, 04:39 PM
Quote from: S.L.C on Jun 10, 2015, 01:40 PMWhat everyone seems to miss here is this. "50GB of SSD" are you paying for premium SSD storage or what? When are you going to use 50GB with your server? When are you going to use 2TB of bandwidth with your vcmp server?

Buy KVM instead and get the full power. What you need to pay attention is processing power and bandwidth speed. You need quality not quantity. You don't need storage space or huge amounts of bandwidth. YOU NEED POWER PEOPLE!

These are the plans that you're interested in:
(https://forum.vc-mp.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.postimg.org%2Fgdcveli7j%2FScreenshot_2.jpg&hash=9488032de3f376199485a8e223e54571ed25b704) (http://postimg.org/image/gdcveli7j/)

Even the one with 256 MB RAM is more than enough to host your server and probably even more than one.

Oh look, a know it all who doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about.

The Premium line(Like I said before) come with 3.3Ghz+ E3s for both OpenVZ and KVM while the Standard line use 2.3Ghz+ E5s for both OpenVZ and KVM. The Premium line has less clients per node while the Standard line has more clients per node.

You say you need a fast processor which both OpenVZ and KVM plans have on the Premium line and FYI, OpenVZ is faster than KVM. An OpenVZ based server is 1000% fine for hosting a VCMP server. Also like I said, you can only host game servers on the Premium line...
Here's a speed test for the network since I can show you better than I can tell you:
(https://www.speedtest.net/result/4422940992.png)
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: . on Jun 10, 2015, 04:56 PM
@Aldo I am going to ignore this conversation because you obviously don't know the difference between OpenVZ and KVM and how resources are shared on such systems. With that being said. Have a nice day and go google something.

Let's say that I have a machine with 16GB of ram. And I'm going to sell you OpenVZ VPSs with 1GB of ram each. What would prevent me from selling you 32 VPSes instead of just 16? NOTHING! All of them reporting 1GB of Ram. Do the math of splitting 16GB of ram to 32 VPSes and see how much ram you actually get on each VPS.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Aldo on Jun 10, 2015, 06:06 PM
Quote from: S.L.C on Jun 10, 2015, 04:56 PM@Aldo I am going to ignore this conversation because you obviously don't know the difference between OpenVZ and KVM and how resources are shared on such systems. With that being said. Have a nice day and go google something.

Let's say that I have a machine with 16GB of ram. And I'm going to sell you OpenVZ VPSs with 1GB of ram each. What would prevent me from selling you 32 VPSes instead of just 16? NOTHING! All of them reporting 1GB of Ram. Do the math of splitting 16GB of ram to 32 VPSes and see how much ram you actually get on each VPS.

I don't know if you know this but you can oversell on any virtualization which includes both KVM and Xen. You are the one who needs to be taking your "go google something" advice. Hell, if you're this worried about a provider overselling then you need to look into getting a dedicated server.

The virtualization you use should depend on what you need out of your server and there is NO reason to pick the more costly KVM over OpenVZ to host a VCMP server and possibly a website and teamspeak unless that's your preference.

Also RamNode (Which I recommend to anyone looking for a VPS provider) has been rated as the best VPS provider on LET for over a year for a reason. Their EXTREMELY happy long time customers and new customers speak for it's self.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: . on Jun 10, 2015, 06:13 PM
Quote from: Aldo on Jun 10, 2015, 06:06 PMThe virtualization you use should depend on what you need out of your server and there is NO reason to pick the more costly KVM over OpenVZ to host a VCMP server and possibly a website and teamspeak unless that's your preference.

But we're talking about hosting hosting game servers aren't we? Yes, hosting a dummy VC:MP probably isn't going to need any expensive hardware. But trying to host a database and a heavily scripted server on an oversold OpenVZ node is not the best idea. Either way, KVM is much more recommended for game-hosting. I used to have issues with OpenVZ whenever it came to hosting game servers. Mostly just lagging like hell.

And what do you mean expensive hardware? Doesn't that abundance of storage space and bandwidth indicate you that OpenVZ is more recommended for web hosting rather than game hosting?

EDIT:

In the case of OpenVZ if your server uses more CPU than a certain imposed limit for a certain imposed amount of time. The provider will most likely suspend your server. That's why OpenVZ isn't that recommended for game hosting. Because game servers can get very CPU intensive sometimes depending on the optimizations done on the scripts or how many people on the server.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Aldo on Jun 12, 2015, 03:17 AM
Quote from: S.L.C on Jun 10, 2015, 06:13 PM
Quote from: Aldo on Jun 10, 2015, 06:06 PMThe virtualization you use should depend on what you need out of your server and there is NO reason to pick the more costly KVM over OpenVZ to host a VCMP server and possibly a website and teamspeak unless that's your preference.

But we're talking about hosting hosting game servers aren't we? Yes, hosting a dummy VC:MP probably isn't going to need any expensive hardware. But trying to host a database and a heavily scripted server on an oversold OpenVZ node is not the best idea. Either way, KVM is much more recommended for game-hosting. I used to have issues with OpenVZ whenever it came to hosting game servers. Mostly just lagging like hell.

And what do you mean expensive hardware? Doesn't that abundance of storage space and bandwidth indicate you that OpenVZ is more recommended for web hosting rather than game hosting?

EDIT:

In the case of OpenVZ if your server uses more CPU than a certain imposed limit for a certain imposed amount of time. The provider will most likely suspend your server. That's why OpenVZ isn't that recommended for game hosting. Because game servers can get very CPU intensive sometimes depending on the optimizations done on the scripts or how many people on the server.

tl;dr You used a shit host that offered you some shit like 4vCPUS & 4GB of ram for $5/m and had a terrible experience now you hate OpenVZ. I don't debate with bias people sorry.

An OpenVZ VPS with RamNode is fine for what OP is looking to do and that's the end of it.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: DeViL_JiN on Jun 18, 2015, 05:37 PM
Find any good VPS providers.....
They suck from my point of view, or you can give them a try depends onto you.
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Thijn on Jun 18, 2015, 06:01 PM
Quote from: DeViL_JiN on Jun 18, 2015, 05:37 PMTHIS VPS SUCKS THIS WEBSITE SUCKS THEY ACTUALLY FUCK.
FUCK OFF.......
believe me NEVER EVER TRY THIS GODDAM RAMNODE VPS THEY SUCK REALLY HARD......
BELIEVE ME....... FIND ANY OTHER VPS.......
PLS STORMEUS REMOVE MY MESSAGE I CAN'T STOP MYSELF F**** O***
Because... ?

(I have't tried Ramnode myself, so I don't know if you're right or wrong. I just believe you should atleast give a reason why a company sucks)
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: DeViL_JiN on Jun 18, 2015, 07:08 PM
I tried to purchase a VPS from ramnode, error appeared invalid Credit Card but my money was also deducted from my card.
I also got a confirmation SMS by UBL bank about the deducted amount.....
Their website was not accepting my Credit card but how come they deducted the amount?
Am I the noob ? Or they suck xD
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Thijn on Jun 18, 2015, 07:21 PM
Ofc you're the noob. Why not contact them about it, why not try to solve it? If that's the only reason you're not happy with Ramnode you don't know nothing about how life works ;)
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: DeViL_JiN on Jun 18, 2015, 07:25 PM
Quote from: Thijn on Jun 18, 2015, 07:21 PMOfc you're the noob. Why not contact them about it, why not try to solve it? If that's the only reason you're not happy with Ramnode you don't know nothing about how life works ;)
I'm actually wondering my credit card didn't worked (as their website show) then how come they deducted the amount?
Anyways that's just my bad .
I'll try to complain tomorrow .
:) Rage mode OFF
Title: Re: >>>VPS<<<
Post by: Aldo on Jun 19, 2015, 11:19 AM
And how many times did you try to actually contact RamNode about the problem? I doubt you have because Nick and his staff literally sit on their IRC 24/7 and the only 2 tickets I ever had to open were replied to in less than an hour.