Hi Guyz,
I have just checked the folder of downloaded files of servers.Can we use these objects?
You can use them. The question is. Should I use them? More specifically. Should I use them without permission from the author?
Quote from: . on May 14, 2016, 02:36 PMYou can use them. The question is. Should I use them? More specifically. Should I use them without permission from the author?
Yes! I should! I want freedom!
Quote from: ext-d.CrystalBlue on May 14, 2016, 02:37 PMYes! I should! I want freedom!
I was going to reply with a strong "
f* your freedom". But then I realized that wouldn't solve much. So let's try the other way. Let's say that you're working on a home made ice cream and you put all your effort into it. After hours of work you go outside and try to enjoy your ice cream. I mean, you worked so hard on it. You can barely wait. So here comes this dude, slaps you in the face and takes your ice cream. And you ask him with a stupid face "
Why?" And he replies "
Freedom baby!".
Which brings me to my point. Just because you can do something. Doesn't mean you should.
You are free to do a lot of things. You are free to create things. You are free to share things that you create. But you are not free to steal the work of other people. Because at that point.
Where's the freedom of the guy that created the thing you stole? Where's his freedom to share his work safely?Think about how selfish you sound next time you say that.
S.L.C is do you think it is possible in client files to go into another person's user files with wb+ and corrupt the image after its already been loaded into the game?
Quote from: Mötley on May 14, 2016, 03:03 PMS.L.C is do you think it is possible in client files to go into another person's user files with wb+ and corrupt the image after its already been loaded into the game?
No. All I/O functionality was stripped from the standard library. You can't do anything that interacts with files other than use dofile() to load scripts or similar functionality. And even then, the path is locked to the 'script' folder.
Quote from: . on May 14, 2016, 02:46 PMQuote from: ext-d.CrystalBlue on May 14, 2016, 02:37 PMYes! I should! I want freedom!
I was going to reply with a strong "f* your freedom". But then I realized that wouldn't solve much. So let's try the other way. Let's say that you're working on a home made ice cream and you put all your effort into it. After hours of work you go outside and try to enjoy your ice cream. I mean, you worked so hard on it. You can barely wait. So here comes this dude, slaps you in the face and takes your ice cream. And you ask him with a stupid face "Why?" And he replies "Freedom baby!".
Which brings me to my point. Just because you can do something. Doesn't mean you should.
You are free to do a lot of things. You are free to create things. You are free to share things that you create. But you are not free to steal the work of other people. Because at that point. Where's the freedom of the guy that created the thing you stole? Where's his freedom to share his work safely?
Think about how selfish you sound next time you say that.
It's not stealing the icecream. It's creating another copy of it.
What we need is the ability to place the objects into something like a .rar file. the server first downloads the file format passworded .rar file etc then gets the file from the .rar file. then maybe for security a console input on script load to allow usage of these files(this could be a module). so that way when the server is loading it still can not be downloaded unless the password is true.
Of course I have never attempted to place objects in a .rar file to see what happens when I attempt to get them server side. as I do not know the outcome after the files have downloaded.
*Years ago I use to know how to hide files inside of a fake image and use certain techniques to get the files and pictures etc out of the fake picture. **I used this in case of network attacks as it was common back in 2006.
*hear is a similar documentation. The fake image could be a server sprite. and maybe you could attempt to get the files server side from the jpeg
http://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/hide-file-in-picture/
Quote from: Mötley on May 14, 2016, 03:59 PM*Years ago I use to know how to hide files inside of a fake image and use certain techniques to get the files and pictures etc out of the fake picture. **I used this in case of network attacks as it was common back in 2006.
haha, I used that too :P
Well, there should be a option to encrypt files though. Yet, I still want to newbies to do that work, because that way I learned about different things and due to my curiosity, I learned how to create objects using 3DSMax and other :D
Still then, the user should ask the permission by the author before
using them in his/her server
Yes we want encrypt but it will not help in all cases.
You should attempt to use the method I explained above as it is possible to confuse others
Quote*hear is a similar documentation. The fake image could be a server sprite. and maybe you could attempt to get the files server side from the jpeg
http://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/hide-file-in-picture/
If you don't want others to get your files, don't share them over the internet. Once you've transmitted them to another computer and included any possibility for it to decrypt them (which you must for them to be used), it's game over. Your files can be copied. Accept it.
No matter what kind of encryption or trickery is used, they will still exist in unencrypted form in the memory at some point. Since this is all that is needed to get the files, there is no point making any more complex system for protecting them.
On topic: If the files contain any original work from the server owners, then not without permission. In other cases, it depends. The authors for many mods available on the internet are not reachable anymore. Theoretically you should ask their permission, but practically, if they do not respond in some time, I would say it's acceptable to use them.
Quote from: Mötley on May 14, 2016, 04:12 PMYou should attempt to use the method I explained above as it is possible to confuse others
Quote*hear is a similar documentation. The fake image could be a server sprite. and maybe you could attempt to get the files server side from the jpeg
http://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/hide-file-in-picture/
vcmp can't read such type of data, so its offtopic.
Quote from: maxorator on May 14, 2016, 06:22 PMNo matter what kind of encryption or trickery is used, they will still exist in unencrypted form in the memory at some point. Since this is all that is needed to get the files, there is no point making any more complex system for protecting them.
It's just a matter of common sense. But let's be honest. Who has common sense here :P
Besides, what you're trying to explain requires the guy on the other side to actually know something about a computer other than 'click on stuff and see what happens'. This topic will come over and over and over. I'm just curious when it'll be mentioned next time.
Quote from: . on May 14, 2016, 06:31 PMI'm just curious when it'll be mentioned next time.
In "Server & Plugin Updates" section, in feature's list:
Quoteencryption option for store folder was added
Who stealing files to use it on his servers? New server developers, very new. And they not able to bypass any protection.
Quote from: maxorator on May 14, 2016, 06:22 PMIf you don't want others to get your files, don't share them over the internet. Once you've transmitted them to another computer and included any possibility for it to decrypt them (which you must for them to be used), it's game over. Your files can be copied. Accept it.
Therefore, I have a question. Fake copy of an official server (XE) is banned from Masterlist. Why another server with copied script is not on this list?
Quote from: ext-d.CrystalBlue on May 14, 2016, 03:29 PMQuote from: . on May 14, 2016, 02:46 PM...
Think about how selfish you sound next time you say that.
It's not stealing the icecream. It's creating another copy of it.
Of course it's stealing. You don't create shit. You don't do ANYTHING to use it. You just steal it and use it in your own server. No effort involved at all.
Quote from: ext-d.CrystalBlue on May 14, 2016, 03:29 PMIt's not stealing the icecream. It's creating another copy of it.
Yes, you're correct. But it's stealing monopoly on selling/eating this ice cream. If you have no protection from government/mafia(=gov. in small scale)/vc-mp masterlist's admin then you have only way to protect your monopoly - keep in secret your stuff. And this possbile only on server side currenly. All one's features in client side may be stolen, and this is reason why we need administrative protection.
Quote from: Piterus on May 17, 2016, 02:15 PMQuote from: maxorator on May 14, 2016, 06:22 PMIf you don't want others to get your files, don't share them over the internet. Once you've transmitted them to another computer and included any possibility for it to decrypt them (which you must for them to be used), it's game over. Your files can be copied. Accept it.
Therefore, I have a question. Fake copy of an official server (XE) is banned from Masterlist. Why another server with copied script is not on this list?
I'm still waiting for answer. Developers were already on forum.
Quote from: Piterus on May 18, 2016, 01:09 PMQuote from: Piterus on May 17, 2016, 02:15 PMQuote from: maxorator on May 14, 2016, 06:22 PMIf you don't want others to get your files, don't share them over the internet. Once you've transmitted them to another computer and included any possibility for it to decrypt them (which you must for them to be used), it's game over. Your files can be copied. Accept it.
Therefore, I have a question. Fake copy of an official server (XE) is banned from Masterlist. Why another server with copied script is not on this list?
I'm still waiting for answer. Developers were already on forum.
Official servers are selected and checked by the development team and we know exactly who run them and keep track of IP changes. We can't keep track of each server and see if it's fake or not.
(This answer was not discussed with the Development team and therefor I cannot guarantee they agree with this. It just seems like the most sensible answer in my personal eyes.)
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So in another term more than likely VC:MP team can view other servers scripts Plus way more....
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What else are you guys capable of doing?
Sounds like there is a lot of secrete gateways to this program now........
I just do not like the crap I can imagine
*I dont mean to sound Like a hippie. I dont have aluminum foil on my head, I also know you guys wouldnt hurt us its just what you guys could do if you really wanted to. I prefer privacy if I have a server uploaded.[/spoiler]
No, VCMP team doesn't have access to scripts.
Quote from: KAKAN on May 18, 2016, 05:59 PMNo, VCMP team doesn't have access to scripts.
Yes they have. They're responsible for most of the leaks. Whenever they see a sh!tty script they form a gathering and be like "
we gotta leak this sh!t, right?". That's why pros don't host servers on their personal PCs. Because the devs can watch everything they do if the server is running. They can see what porn you're watching, they can see your sister taking nude photos, they can see what dildo your mom purchased, they can do everything they want.
From what I could gather they even began taking control of people's VPS and start DDoS'ing whomever they don't like. I believe it's time that they got exposed. We, as a community, had enough of their childish behavior. It's time for us to say no and stop them from invading our private lives.
It's time for them to see that they can't fight the horde.
Quote from: Mötley on May 18, 2016, 04:09 PM[spoiler]
So in another term more than likely VC:MP team can view other servers scripts Plus way more....
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What else are you guys capable of doing?
Sounds like there is a lot of secrete gateways to this program now........
I just do not like the crap I can imagine
*I dont mean to sound Like a hippie. I dont have aluminum foil on my head, I also know you guys wouldnt hurt us its just what you guys could do if you really wanted to. I prefer privacy if I have a server uploaded.[/spoiler]
I don't know how you got to that conclusion but it obviously isn't true ;)
Quote from: Mötley on May 18, 2016, 04:09 PMSo in another term more than likely VC:MP team can view other servers scripts Plus way more....
What else are you guys capable of doing?
Sounds like there is a lot of secrete gateways to this program now........
I don't know how you even remotely reached this conclusion from this post:
Quote from: Thijn on May 18, 2016, 03:41 PMOfficial servers are selected and checked by the development team and we know exactly who run them and keep track of IP changes.
Quote from: Piterus on May 18, 2016, 01:09 PMQuote from: Piterus on May 17, 2016, 02:15 PMTherefore, I have a question. Fake copy of an official server (XE) is banned from Masterlist. Why another server with copied script is not on this list?
I'm still waiting for answer. Developers were already on forum.
A better question is why would we care about leaked scripts? In my personal opinion, even if Littlewhitey's had their scripts leaked and people were running their own servers on it, I wouldn't ban anyone from the masterlist until they literally named their server Littlewhitey's or something very similar.
Being official doesn't mean the development team becomes some sort of "script copyright" police. It means you get a pinned thread on our forum, a special place on the official tab, and protection from having your
name stolen by copycats.
This is also why we haven't acted on the millions of VCCnR clones that keep popping up. They're not official and therefore are not afforded any sort of official protection on our masterlist.
You can get unofficial protection from a botnet xD