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Title: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: HunTinG on January 12th, 2021, 11:43 PM
have you ever wondered why the fuck laggers and even NORMAL ping players can NOT be hit under fast c-bug storming with mostly shotguns?

well, here's why..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEKPHEPdwWo

in short, repeatedly spamming C ("storming" or "droching"), will eventually result in every single shot missing, which becomes annoying....

plz fix this soon, it becomes annoying even when playing against 80 ping players lol, laggers not even going to mention..

as a side note, 0.3z was perfectly giving out shots at the given moments, there were no shots missed back then like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeWvfWGnGKw

^ this (minus the slide bug) would give vcmp a WAAY more comfortable gameplay..
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: Sebastian on January 12th, 2021, 11:55 PM
Is this happening since the last update, or it always happened, since 0.4 ?
Your video looks pretty explicit. I love that.
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: HunTinG on January 13th, 2021, 12:04 AM
i think this feature somehow got lost after 0.4 release, for some reason ( it never affected slide ), the delay between crouch and the fired shotgun bullet is too big, leaving too much space inbetween times

first shot will ALWAYS be synced, then if you repeat shots too fast, sync will get confused and eventually glitch out your ped animations


as a side note, it's not a really big loss for stubby and spaz, but shotgun REALLY is underpowered since this happens... you could test it out yourselves to see, there's no way you can play with this annoying thing, imagine when this happens during combat.. and you're not switching rapidly AT ALL...(ps: it doesn't need to be as quick as i did it in video, you could do it much slower and expect same results)


you could try to experiment on a rel003 server, or a 004, but this feature i can tell you undoubtedly that it's present ever since i have been playing 0.4..
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: HunTinG on January 13th, 2021, 09:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYaRVN6cno
0.3z video with same glitching ways

ps: it would be cool to have this before rel007 update please @AdTec_224
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: EnForcer on January 13th, 2021, 09:33 AM
YES ADD THIS BACK
+1
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: Sebastian on January 13th, 2021, 09:51 AM
Can you test this with your DM skills, and record the same way ?

Code: [Select]
function onPlayerCrouchChange( player, IsCrouchingNow )
{
if( !IsCrouchingNow ) player.SetAnim( 0, 29 );
}

Practically, this refreshes your anim once you get onfeet, hoping it fixes the shots too.
Tested it myself, but I have no DM skills to actually do the spamming.
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: HunTinG on January 13th, 2021, 10:14 AM
if you have any server for test, we can go there.. although i'm not sure this will work, i saw a refresh script of animations a while ago on mk gta5's server, and shots were messed up there as well :\

i think as long as vcmp client won't permit it, we won't be able to do anything server-side, but i could try either way to do so.. any time you're free, i am not good at coding at all so don't expect me to run a localhost for this xD
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: HunTinG on January 13th, 2021, 11:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs24KsszXNk

if this helps, there's no such bug for any other weapons than the 3 shotguns
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: Piterus on January 13th, 2021, 02:33 PM
Interesting.
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: Fanta on January 13th, 2021, 02:52 PM
+1
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: HunTinG on January 13th, 2021, 07:51 PM
to clarify the situation, any lower versions than rel006_2 DOES NOT fix this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVELYGiY9wg

rel003 is the final good version of 0.4, i doubt any lower versions will have this, because as i remember hanney made a video regarding this issue (but it was happening while spamming fast switch only, which is fixed now)

however, this did not resolve the C-spam apparently...

this is a SERIOUS issue, many players lost skills in 0.4 due to this, please fix this bug ASAP.
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: Gulk on January 13th, 2021, 08:35 PM
https://forum.vc-mp.org/?topic=7792.msg48542#msg48542

My thread also describing the same issue but done in another way, the jump switch after shot (also occurs when you crouch switch aftter the shot)

the problem is in the switch

i will show something more interesting and insightful later.
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: HunTinG on January 13th, 2021, 09:22 PM
i agree with gulk, something is broken in the switch.

but i don't think it will be a hard one to fix, because i remember hanney made at beginning of 0.4 a video called "fs missing shots", in which same bug was happening, as i mentioned above, but it was happening when shooting normally with fast switch (LW gameplay)

developers can bring this back without any effort, i'm sure of that, the problem is how long will it take and how much more we'll have to endure this pain of shotgun bullets not arriving in time and struggling to hit each other even if we have 30 vs 30 ping fights :\

btw, the thing in your video still happens, and afaik it will be fixed in rel007.
this is NOT what i'm talking about, i don't ask you to add a 0.3z feature because it was "cool", i am asking you to fix an annoying bug which will occur in any 1v1 combat no matter what



if the fast switching problem could be fixed (rel004 fixed it as far as i remember), then most likely it won't be a hard fix this time either, it just needs concentration, developers dealt with way bigger problems before, it's only a matter of time till they get to work ;D
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: Sebastian on January 13th, 2021, 10:03 PM
The only way to actually fix it for good is to sync every shot a player does.
So, things would work like this: You press FIRE button, then your client sends the request for shot to the server, which, if everything is okay, approves the shot and send it to all clients around.
This would pretty much create as much lag as posible, if I'm not wrong. (imagina a dm zone)

Take molotovs/grenades as an example. They are working like that.
Comparing to 0.3z molotovs, 0.4 adds some lag to it.
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: HunTinG on January 13th, 2021, 10:06 PM
i will let devs do this the best way they know it should be done, they fixed worse bugs in past, they even dealt with aimbots lol...
as i said. all that matters is we have this back in shortest amount of time possible, i understand that everyone has a personal life and vcmp fixes may need a little more waiting
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: Sebastian on January 13th, 2021, 10:13 PM
Yeah, when dev/s will get back in bussiness, maybe there will be a trick they/he can do.
Let's cross fingers :P

On the other hand, maybe 0.4.7 will deal better with this, since it should include a rewritten and smoother sync.
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: Richter on January 14th, 2021, 12:32 AM
Sounds good.
Title: Re: please add this back....
Post by: HunTinG on January 14th, 2021, 01:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1KFFZmXht4

here's a 0.3z gameplay which may help for the case

the hit rate was shit compared to 0.4's, but there was no shots missed (ps: hit rate in 0.3 is affected mostly by the fact that C-glitch works same as rel003, which makes player slide when he pressed C immediatly after shooting a weapon, no longer present in 0.4 thankfully), however the shots got synced good, as every single time there was not even 1 missed shot of the continuous crouch
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: HunTinG on January 15th, 2021, 09:09 AM
ok here i am back with some new information that might help the case

apparently, stubby and shotgun are the only ones affected by this, spaz is not really affected like them, still some shots may miss but i think it may be blamed on the fact that this bug exists at all.

after a long research this is what i found:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S3XXCI8N8Q

the probability of shotgun repeated crouch is 0%, as you can see, however some c-glitch shots may actually be received, 50% of them at least..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWExn-gY_oo

the same with stubby, however this weapon does not require glitching at all to be played with, it's only problematic when you try to double shot with crouch, which is indeed frustrating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZi5-egbQek

however as i expected, spaz does a much better job with this. as you can see this weapon does NOT get affected almost at all by this annoying bug, since its accurate shots are 95% (both crouching and glitching), due to the fact that this bug exists, however it's not really affected that hard


so you might want to revise the shotgun and stubby, and improve the gameplay for everybody.

the question is, why is shotgun most affected?
simply, it's because this weapon often requires a ton of crouch spamming in order to hit a target, due to the fact it has same bullets spread as the spaz, but longer range.

stubby doesn't require because its shooting anim is way shorter than shotgun's, and because in a close range you don't need to spam crouch that much as i see.


ps: switching to fist ( the null switch as i call it ) makes it even worse miss shots

@Piterus may know since he played in his own servers /dm stubby arenas, and might have at some point noticed his shots are just desynced totally.


in conclusion: for perfect gameplay and non missing shots, play with spaz until this bug is fixed
stubby will work out too if it's not spammed ( not required but may be preferably to do so by many old players)
avoid shotgun fights, you will never be able to get absolutely accurate results, because this weapon in usual gameplays is totally bugged:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JTPXshuNK0

@AdTec_224 i'm waiting for an answer as soon as you're active, or at least take this topic into account and manage to deliver an update in time this summer, i'd love to play with everything fully working, and i think everyone here would prefer the same.
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: Sebastian on January 15th, 2021, 11:55 AM
Quote from HunTinG on January 15th, 09:09 AM
@AdTec_224 i'm waiting for an answer as soon as you're active, or at least take this topic into account and manage to deliver an update in time this summer, i'd love to play with everything fully working, and i think everyone here would prefer the same.
Easy,  cowboy.
Hold your horses.  I won't allow such behaviour,  ever.
That's my first and last warning about this.
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: HunTinG on January 15th, 2021, 12:11 PM
??? :|

lol i asked him, it's up to him if he can do or not... chill the fuck out

warn all you want lol, be careful who you are talking to like that, i am not tolerant with this coming from a mark, i haven't insulted anyone, but don't make me do it, and i surely hope you are currently aware that you should mind scripting, you are completely parallel with DM, and unless you've anything to say ON TOPIC, don't say it

asslicking him like that does not guarantee you a higher rank than others, and i hope i made myself clear with this.

i asked him only if he can bring this, i did not say DO IT or else... why would i do that?
and lay off cowboy shit, i don't think you ever would know what you could use that for, si ia vorba asta asa cum suna, nu esti primul si nici ultimul.. nu cred ca m.ai cunoscut si nu iti doresc asta, asa ca stai dreacu potolit
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: Spiller on January 15th, 2021, 12:19 PM
I always thought that this is because of ping and their differences, turns out it also happens on localhost.

I recorded a video of the above, if it's any help to this case.
Obviously I'm not very fast but I still tried my best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpvaamOLBTM

Videos were recorded on 30FPS, however, frame limiter does not seem to effect the outcome.
Nor does the code provided by Seby. (After 1:09 in the video, the snippet was in effect)

(click to show/hide)
Can you test this with your DM skills, and record the same way ?

Code: [Select]
function onPlayerCrouchChange( player, IsCrouchingNow )
{
if( !IsCrouchingNow ) player.SetAnim( 0, 29 );
}

(https://i.imgur.com/boSoeMG.png)



EDIT: lol Hunting, I like you are dedicated to what you've discovered but whatever you threw above is the surest way to ravage this topic.
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: HunTinG on January 15th, 2021, 12:22 PM
back on topic, yes, it's not frame limiter's fault.
60 fps is stable enough to handle DM physics, what it's not good for is driving, flying skimmer on water, among some other issues.
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: Athanatos on January 15th, 2021, 12:22 PM
Quote from HunTinG on January 15th, 12:11 PM
??? :|

lol i asked him, it's up to him if he can do or not... chill the fuck out

asslicking him like that does not guarantee you a higher rank than others, and i hope i made myself clear with this.
Totally agree. (I was being biased against mods)
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: HunTinG on January 15th, 2021, 12:55 PM
Quote from Spiller on January 15th, 12:19 PM
EDIT: lol Hunting, I like you are dedicated to what you've discovered but whatever you threw above is the surest way to ravage this topic.
if you wouldn't have known me before then i think this reply would make sense.. never having a rank or hanging out with people in bigger function than others will guarantee anyone any better than the usual players
always the people who respond back to such faggotry are seen as "the faulty ones" or "the bad", i never tolerated anyone doing this any single time i was involved, if adtec thought i insulted him some way or another, he could talk to me about it, but when dogs get involved situation becomes a step too far and may have to deal with it accordingly, nobody has the right to be a faggot hiding behind ranks, this is a really major problem with admins and server owners in vcmp


that break anim whenever you crouch will never work, and even so you cannot implement such a shitty fix in a VCMP server

only adtec or stormeus can deal with this, it's simply nothing we can do but wait, as far as i know adtec has a really busy life (from what i heard), i didn't hear from stormeus ever since we spoke in PM regarding rel007 update release, and that was 2 years ago..
don't hope for quick results anyway, just avoid glitching like this and you'll be fine.
i've no idea when next update will come, it won't be any soon though..
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: Shafin on January 15th, 2021, 03:28 PM
Quote from HunTinG on January 12th, 11:43 PM
have you ever wondered why the fuck laggers and even NORMAL ping players can NOT be hit under fast c-bug storming with mostly shotguns?

well, here's why..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEKPHEPdwWo

in short, repeatedly spamming C ("storming" or "droching"), will eventually result in every single shot missing, which becomes annoying....

plz fix this soon, it becomes annoying even when playing against 80 ping players lol, laggers not even going to mention..

as a side note, 0.3z was perfectly giving out shots at the given moments, there were no shots missed back then like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeWvfWGnGKw

^ this (minus the slide bug) would give vcmp a WAAY more comfortable gameplay..
0.3z was the best version of vcmp.
+1. Hmm fix the sync issue.
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: HunTinG on January 15th, 2021, 05:01 PM
well no, let's not confuse things here. 0.3z is way <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< than 0.4

0.4 is a lot better than 0.3z, whether we are talking about scripting or the DM, the only better thing 0.3z had was these good-synced shots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtxUE-auP4g

this is how weapon rapid fire should work, even better i guess. there were almost no shots missed in the video, and the player velocity is higher after any shot fired
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: Razor. on January 15th, 2021, 05:41 PM
It's really irritable. That fast-switch works perfectly using Stubby and another weapons like M4 and Python but there's not effect on Pump-action.

Many times I did that trick, but now I know why never hits the opponent.
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: HunTinG on January 16th, 2021, 04:58 PM
a little rectification: this DOES NOT happen when you spam crouch
it ONLY happens in the situation where you repeat crouch shots (to start from middle speed), no matter how fast it was done in first place (unless you did it totally slow and have no reason to call it repeated crouch)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPXiH3mjJVQ

this is due to animation getting bugged after the moment you shot and you want to do it again.
the shot comes out too late, which was probably made like this as a fix to the ghost shots. however i think this still can be fixed without adding ghost shots. the problem is the animation was delayed a little too much, and this bug went unnoticed because players got used to each other lagging or most likely there were not enough skilled glitchers back then

don't get me wrong here, im not asking you to re-add a bug in VC:MP, re-adding ghost shots would only make things worse.
i'm asking you to FIX a bug that prevents players from getting fair and accurate results in a duel.
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: Darkninja on January 16th, 2021, 06:19 PM
Ofc fix this bug as soon as possible. +1
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: Gulk on January 16th, 2021, 08:57 PM
So the 3 ways this happens are :
1. the way Hunting has been demonstrating in his videos.
2. crouching after the shot to switch sprint and run.
3. switching and then jumping right after the shot

After some experimenting. 1. and 2. can be fixed by changing the reload weapon value to "1". which brings up a problem, all shotguns will be able to shoot really fast like spaz when crouched... and spaz will be able to shoot without reloading. haha. thats the thing with these settings. You fix one thing, another problems arises. but cause 3. is a another even more complicated problem it seems. unless we can allow the shooting animation to continue for a small moment after the jumpshot. (but this might lead us into what we dont want, ghostshots)

I have a feeling there might be a way to prevent the shotguns acting like spaz when crouched. Did'nt experiment with that yet.
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: HunTinG on January 16th, 2021, 11:20 PM
yep, gulk is correct totally.
if this requires ghost shots to be added, then idk... it's a difficult choice.. but when you think of it, the problem that 0.3z was totally bugged weren't exactly the ghost shots, but the way the sync was scripted, outdated, etc.

however i don't suggest bringing back those glitches... but, well... it's totally up to the devs this time...

in the case that NOTHING can be done and this bug cannot be fixed unless ghost shots are brought back, i suggest we add a poll and let players decide their own fate, if they want to continue this lame way of playing with shotgun, or.. re-add ghost shots ... both alternatives sucks tbh

@gulk see what you can do, keep experimenting, i will do so too and let you know

yes, it happened in 2) and 3) situations for me too, i forgot to mention. and this is not the only situation by the way
it sometimes happers when "hammer shot" is made (as noori used to call it) and that means when you sit in a spot and spam crouch and standing, crouch and standing multiple times then keep shooting again, and start spamming double fire(via hammer shot)....


i still hope for a 3rd way, and maybe from a response from devs if they will be back soon.. because without their opinions, we, the regular players, cannot do much ourselves, since w cannot READ what is in the coding of VCMP itself and what is "under the hood", since we don't have access..

EDIT: meanwhile, we could suggest servers to change the weapons reload value to 1 if we INDEED want a fix and are too fucking impatient. a skilled player will manage to dodge shots no matter the situation (unless this option really sux, i haven't seen the way this behaves so i'm not going to insist on doing so), but what i suggest is we're patient for a fix.... idk, it's up to server owners really now
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: HunTinG on January 21st, 2021, 10:50 AM
ok another one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7GaiyXNvCY

this is the kind of shot spiller was doing in his video, but another kind of it... apparently this gets bugged too, mostly if crouch is repeated without standup..
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: Shafin on January 24th, 2021, 02:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVCiB4mvBdA
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: HunTinG on January 24th, 2021, 10:32 PM
EC only makes things worse for some reason.

as far as i know this bug anyway happens with double-shooting as well anyway... and YES, it gets worse the higher your ping goes.
Title: Re: please add this back.... / shotguns get jammed bug
Post by: FulToN_619 on January 25th, 2021, 09:47 PM
Hmmmmmm
https://youtu.be/3ESMfdoUFuA