[0.4] Argonath RPG 3.0

[KAKAN]

In the real world there are terrorists, look at the "islamic state" there are also policemen to look at "every country": v should accept everything in a roleplay. That is my thinking Do not judge me: D

For that to happen, you need to have a stable playerbase, and by saying it, I mean, more police and less thieves. And VCMP will simply f* you up when you try doing that. NPCs, yeah, but, bruh....

[aXXo]

For role-playing an extermist/rebel, a player needs to role-play a solid background. This is the specific role, where you need to walk an extra mile before you can kill somebody. If you blow up the first person you see on the server and claim it was an act of terrorism, it is just a poor excuse to deathmatch.

Some pointers, I could give are:
- Open an extremist group on the forum, recruit some members so admins would know that you exist and what you stand for.

- Make some demands. Political demands, demand to pass a law, lower taxes, construct a mosque or whatever. Even terrorists in real life justify their cause. If you want to roleplay a terrorist, you have to justify it. Call the Chief of Police, or make a peaceful rally/parade to get the message across.

- If your demands were ignored, you can take the violence route. Take claim of a bomb blast, write a blackmail note in a crate and drop it in the VCPD HQ. There's a lot of stuff that you can do if you stretch your imagination.

[Kessu]

There still lies a massive question mark on whether or not the recent changes have been beneficial. Short term they haven't been.

Any change to the way players earn money is not beneficial in short-term unless it lets them earn shitloads of money within days. Look at the bigger picture, from the perspective when you still were leading the server, and ask yourself why has the changes been made that were?

Most of these changes were already approved by yourself as well


As for the argument that happened in the case with vito, I believe I actually do know what happened and that you were warned, kicked, tempbanned twice and then permbanned for what you were doing since it was disrupting the flow of gameplay when you keep exploding vehicles in populated areas (which can be seen as attempted mass-deathmatching by the administration).

As Klaus and aXXo before me explained, terrorist roleplay has never been disallowed in the server, but it is limited to an extent that you can't just commit terrorist acts out of the blue and expect the admins to let you off the hook just because you wanted to be a terrorist for 2 minutes. You really do need to walk the extra mile or even two to get your roleplay across to people before pulling off mass murders. Whether this means setting up a group of people or a gang, cult w/e, is up to you really.

TL;DR What you were doing wouldn't of been a problem had you roleplayed anything along with it, but since you did no roleplay whatsoever it was deemed as pathetic attempt at mass-deathmatching.

[vito]

keep exploding vehicles in populated areas

What kind of terrorist will explode car in non-populated area
Whatever you call 'pathetic mass-deathmatching' you don't know correct definition of deathmatch. I've enjoyed it regardless any bans.

[Kessu]

You saying that I do not know the definition of deathmatching is ridiculous at best.

Do note; our rule is not 100% related to pure deathmatching that you see in majority of the servers, it's deathmatching within a roleplay server, which means you "randomly" kill people without a valid roleplay reason.

[vito]

You saying that I do not know the definition of deathmatching is ridiculous at best.

But this fact is not so ridiculous. Deathmatch means getting scores by deaths of enemy. Not just killing/exploding people. However vc-mp is full of silly terms like as 'deathevade' so you're not the first in the that list.

[Klaus]

Deathmatch means getting scores by deaths of enemy. Not just killing/exploding people.

Do note; our rule is not 100% related to pure deathmatching that you see in majority of the servers, it's deathmatching within a roleplay server, which means you "randomly" kill people without a valid roleplay reason.

You'll also find a better explanation of this in the server rules, which you can find here.

Killing players without a valid roleplay reason is not allowed. Killing (or attacking) players randomly, or under one-sided roleplay conditions are not permitted.

Look at the bigger picture, from the perspective when you still were leading the server, and ask yourself why has the changes been made that were?

I can only say that I would have done things differently.

[vito]

You'll also find a better explanation of this in the server rules, which you can find.

It's not about your rules, it's about basic gaming definitions of terms - deathmatch. If it defined wrongly in your rules or in your brains it's not my problems. However before I started explode cars, one were attacking me (reducing my HP from 100 to nearly 10) with no reason, being near cop, and cop did not nothing - corruption in your virtual state.

[KAKAN]

The dormant war is active again.

[Thijn]

Any new replies about this argument will be removed without warning. If you have something useful to say about Argonath, please feel free to post. Otherwise, shut up.

[Rardodus Bruise]

Hmm, I have been playing on this server since 2018 & I like to play on Argonath RPG, One of the most famous and most respected server in VC:MP.
Congratulations on 100 Posts..

[Destroyer123]

Hey, I just played this server for the first time and I am a huge fan of Vice City. I really really like the server and how you can become professions, use the bank etc. but I had some issues on how to get some money in the beginning when nobody is online. I had no idea how I could get some money.

Some questions:

- Why can I not join the army? There is only FBI and no army faction which would be amazing because you could use army vehicles etc. I would love to play on the server and become an army member. It would be nice to have different factions in general. Apparently, FBI and fire department are factions like that.
- How can I earn money if nobody is online? I could only become officer etc. but I could not earn money in any way?
- Most cars and buildings belonged to specific players. However, I could drive the cars around, so when other players will rejoin the server all cars will be moved for the players? Do their cars respawn?! How can a player buy cars. I didn't really understand how it works. What happens if I destroy the car of a player?!
- Is there no profession of a firefighter? Didn't find it. The first post links the fire department website.
- What exactly do professions give you except driving the car and having items? Can I solve missions or do I have to play the role?
- Most of the buildings belonged to one single player. Is this the way the server works? Can a new player even buy any building?
- How do I get better weapons than those in the weapon shop?

Sry for all the questions. I am new.

edit:
After playing for a while most questions about the jobs were answered and I could earn some money. Some more suggestions:

- When using a help command on a ship I can fall into the water afterwards and die!
- There is no chat command to simply list all chat commands.
- There is no help command about the minigames. I had no idea about heists etc.
- Add a profession of security service moving a cash transport to the bank and allow criminals to steal it. That would be a fun profession and mission.
- Add a profession of buying and selling cars.
- Add a profession of a hooker/escort. I had fun playing a prostitute but had to buy a female skin and get some money. I had to add sounds and animations to do this. If no players are online they could dance in the club or do something else to earn money. They could also work with pimps.
- Add some predefined sets of animations/sounds for different jobs like "-usecop" etc.
- Add some predefined chat commands for animations like "-dance" or "-jump". It would make it much easier.
- Taxes are pretty high especially when saving money in the bank. For jobs like Pizza delivery you won't earn that much.
- Maybe reduce the money lost from death. You can easily fall from somewhere or into the water.
- Do not allow cops to camp at the crane forever. It prevents you from steal a car forever.
- Someone could be the mayor of the city collecting all taxes and be elected by all players and decide certain things.
- Add the profession of a news reporter. They could be allowed as the only ones to use the news heli and whenever there is an event around like killings etc. they could write something like "/report" and then news will be reported and they earn money or they could take photos.
- I saw on the deathmatch server different weapons and even the Hydra from San Andreas. Maybe allow players to to buy an airplane and fly it only for rich players.
- If there are some bot scripts add maybe bots for missions when too few players are online.
- Sometimes the truck mission markers like for the cigarett factory in Little Haiti are placed at confusing locations.
- Add some pager chat functionality to store messages for players who are afk/allow listing all players who are afk.
- Add some chat command to list all chat commands (sometimes I forgot some).
- Add some chat command to show ALL purchasable buildings or add a minimap with markers for them. I was never sure where to buy which building for which price.
- Allow terrorists to place bombs as missions and let them carry out explosions or small gang wars/attacks on the police.
- Allow bounty hunting by setting a bounty once a day or some limited times on people.
- Medic and taxi drivers having a hard time to earn money. Maybe allow them to heal/transport bots if not enough players are playing.
- No fire department missions?
- Add heist missions (see GTA V) to rob the bank a limited number of times.
- Add an ingame voice chat. I think GTA V RP does this with a Team Speak plugin. You could do the same and add the sounds ingame if GTA Vice City MP supports this. That would be so awesome!
- Add some events at the server which are scripted and announced. I did not see any announcements.
- The Pizza delivery REALLY sucks when another player is doing the same. You have no chance to earn money anymore.
- Maybe allow to leave and enter the trashmaster during the mission. Sometimes you want to do something else or see some help.
- If you have a delivery assigned and leave the car and you don't know where you left the car/truck add some chat command or marker to mark it on the minimap.
- Markers on the minimap for buildings like the police station etc. would be helpful.

This server has great potential but when only like 5 players are playing it gets boring and you will leave quickly. Predefined sound and animations sets would help the immersion as well as more different professions or more options doing one job.

I really really like the phone you can buy and the chat commands to say something etc.